SOUNDS LIKE "ROMNEY-CARE" ALL OVER! THANK YOU "MITTENZ"! UR DA "MAN"!

This is a bad law and most people do not have a clue what it's all about. When your company drops your health care, and forces you into obamacare and your taxes go up, then you will understand. The reason the court rendered the decision is because it was presented as a tax and the house had the right to raise taxes. Suprise, suprise! We didn't know that -- did we?

Tom Heath

You'll see what a great decision it was after the elections when you get a huge tax bill. For those middle income earners of $55,000 it's a tremendous $1390. Then try to get a doctor appointment, you'll have to wait, as in Europe. Then address the shortage of doctors. I've heard estimates ranging from 30 to 50 million of new insured, of which 30 million were illegal aliens. There are 20 additional and hidden taxes, but you won't know that until after the election. Capital gains tax going from 15% to 39.5%, penalty tax of 2.5% if you haven't enlisted in a healthcare plan, dividend tax going from 15% to 39.6%, long term capital gains add an additional 3.8% if you earn over $200,000 and medical deductions were raised from 7.5% to 10.% of adjusted gross income. The poor already had Medicaid and the elderly already had Medicare.

we already paid taxes. my premiums have more than doubled without this republican idea (obamacare). So they passed it so people have to pay for their healthcare. without it, we paid anyway. people go to hospital, without it, hospitals eat it, then charge more, insurance then goes up. its simple math.

This is a great law. If folks would take the time to learn the benefits, they would agree. When asked, most people like the specific benefits, but when asked if they like "Obamacare," most Republicans say no. BTW, the only thing that is a "tax" according to the Supreme Court, is the requirement to pay a fine or tax if you do not purchase insurance. Or, you can choose NOT to get insurance and pay 2 1/2% instead. They did NOT find the whole program to be a "tax" nor will all Americans have to pay any "tax" as a result of Obamacare, only those who refuse to buy insurance. This idea that we will all have to pay additional taxes is simply wrong, if you take the time to actually read the Court's opinion, you will see that the "tax" is the fine imposed on those who won't get insurance. There is no additional 'tax" on the rest of us. In fact, depending on your income level, you may get a tax break to make up for some of the expense of purchasing your own insurance. Also, since many insurance companies have already incorporated a lot of the benefits in Obamacare, like requiring the companies to accept those with preexisting illnesses, no dropping coverage of children who develop serious medical problems, covering the "donut hole" for prescription costs for seniors, allowing children up to age 26 to stay on a parent's plan, etc. there should be no additional premiums for those items, and since there will be nearly 50 million new customers, rates should actually go down.

Rates are going to go down? Robin, I think you are dreaming...They would have to go down a lot to make up for the amount they have gone up since this debate started in 2010! Our premiums have gone up and our coverage has gone down.

Do you have any concept of the law? Do you know how many people die of curable ailments, LITERALLY in sight of a hospital, only 'cause their insurance won't cover the ailment, or because they just don't have another cent to pay, after having sold their cars, homes, and barely able to eat ?

Also, do you ever care about anyone but yourself? I'll be paying more, however, I'm smiling, 'cause sick & needy children can now have their lives SAVED. Of course, I'm rare, I CARE about people, even risking my life to protect yours, as one of your volunteer emrgency personnel, protected by Allentown.

I sit here in Allentown, wondering why I'm getting "Roxborough-Manayunk."
Hi, gang! Hope to get down to Philly soon!! :-)

Wha'ts your area like these days??? (Fmr. Philly resident).

UNITED STATES SOCIALIST REPUBLIC

I WASN'T "SURPRISED"! I GOT "YOUR" COMMERCE CLAUSE "RIGHT HERE"!
STU GOTTS! CAPISCH? SOUNDS LIKE "ROMNEY-CARE" ALL OVER! THANK YOU "MITTENZ"! UR DA "MAN"! NOW GO "PLAY" WITH YOUR "MITT DA RIPPER" TALKIN "BOBBLEHEAD"! BUT CLEAAN OUT THE LITTERBOX FIRST! KITTIES "GOTTA POO"!

Have fun paying for it.

The major way to reduce healthcare costs is to allow for competition across states lines. This bill, that most haven't read, does not address that and had the chance to reduce costs for all of us.

I am very much dissappointed by this decision; however, this will give more fuel for the Romney campaign as the majority of people do not want this! If you think this will help make this country a better place, you better think again. Wait until - you too - will be paying higher premiums, in fact, so high, you will also go into the exchanges that will provided much more limited and socialized care. Oh - and taxes? Wait unti they go way up in 2014 to supposedly support this (and the other parts of the bill that will pour money into areas they shouldn't go to). And wait until the good doctors and specialists are under-paid for their efforts. I call that CHANGE but NO HOPE. I call that socialism.

that is absolutely incorrect. No fule for Romney campaign since Romney was 100% FOR national healthcare, in fact the same exact healthcare he passed in his socialist governship he wanted for nation. That is fact.
http://www.whichmitt.com/video/health_care_again

But to get elected he Mitt will be against it and hopefully repeal it and get something more sensible in its place.

Thank God for people like us!

"Healthcare for every person who wants it is great." Who the HELL does not want HEALTHCARE?

NOT UNLESS THERE WAS A "BUCK" INIT FOR THEM!

I feel like the excuse of costing employers more is a bad one. Yes, they should invest in the health of their employees. Yes, they should pay them above a minimum wage. Yes, they should provide them with the necessary tools to do their job safely. Sure, it would be cheaper for them to cut any or all of these and they used to be able to run without these requirements. And when each of the requirements for minimum wages and work safety were implemented, the costs to conform to these caused some businesses to close. That does not mean we should not have set a minimum wage or work safety.

May not be perfect, however, for biggest step in U. S. history to get there. A+++++++

EITHER THAT OR PUT YOUR "MONEY" IN THE "CAYMAN ISLANDS"...SOUNDS LIKE "ROMNEY-CARE" ALL OVER! THANK YOU "MITTENZ"! UR DA "MAN"! NOW GO "PLAY" WITH YOUR "MITT DA RIPPER" TALKIN "BOBBLEHEAD"! BUT CLEAN OUT THE LITTERBOX FIRST! KITTIES "GOTTA POO"!

Exactly! My health insurance keeps going up, every time they pass this, in any of it's form. How is this going to help me?
When they first announce Obamacare, my insurance went up about $136 a month more. I just got another notice yesterday, after the supreme court did their thing, and it is going up another additional $114 starting in Aug. I am retired, but only 62,so I have to pay for what ever type of plan that I can afford on a monthly bases. I do not get medicare or anything. This is getting so expensive.

My husband’s plan he continued with, after he retired from work. I was originally on it as well, but when Obama first passed in what 2009, it raised the price so high for both of us, we could not afford it any longer. So, I opted to get out of it, and look for a plan just for me. We had to keep it for my husband, as he has had cancer, and could not get insurance from anyone else. So, i got a separate plan for me, and just make monthly payments.

I cannot afford to keep making these higher payments.What they want me to pay now, is back like what are original plan was asking for when I opted out, due to it being too costly for both of us on it.
I find our government very inept.

WHERE IS THE "FIXED SUPPLY"? MORE JOBS= MORE TAXES! CAPISCH? MAYBE IF WE "UPGRADE" OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM...WE'D HAVE MORE DOCTORS AND LESS WASTED AND "INEPT" PROCEDURES! PAGING "DR. HOUSE"..."DR. HOUSE" COME TO "TRIAGE" STAT! DR. KAVORKIAN...COME TO "C.C.U." STAT!

Gerry, I too am a small business owner and for a decent plan for me and my family it was about $2100 a month. I would say most of the public do not know the burden of providing a small business health plan with that cost. Exchanges will now be open to subsidize the cost. It's either that or we can keep using our tax dollars to help other countries trillions for that, but nobody cares.

Are you aware that undocumenteds (illegals) won't be able to purchase insurance? That means 11 million people will still be going to emergency rooms, delivering babies in hospitals and going to the doctors. So people with health insurance will still be paying a hefty sum to cover that portion of the uninsured.

@Albert R. Schweinstein. "ARE" "YOU" "DRUNK"?

@Tom. Please ignore the troll. Just flag him inappropriate if you need to.

Tony, you are correct: The financial burden that a good health insurance plan puts on a small business is sometimes enough to put them under. Business should not be responsible for providing health insurance. As the conservatives like to say, "it's about personal responsibility". Why expect your employer to provide coverage for you?

"Bill A" Businesses will get sbstantial tax breaks to offset the costs. Even insurance salesman said, "Word of that just doesn't get around enough, for some reason."

No Charlie, you are absolutely wrong and you're either repeating false information or purposely spreading lies. Here are the facts:

"The Medicare tax is not a tax on all new home sales; it only applies to the profit that certain high income Americans make from the sale of their home. The groups that may be affected by this provision are individuals with annual incomes over $200,000 and married couples with a joint income of over $250,000. The only home sellers who will be affected by this provision are those who fit the above description, and who sell their home for a profit of more than $250,000. The tax will not apply to the first $250,000 in profits for the individual selling his or her home or to the first $500,000 in profits for a married couple."

I personally know no one who will be affected by this. Maybe you travel in wealthier circles than I do.

PLEASE,PLEASE, PLEASE check your facts before you blather about taxes. A bi-partisan committee has already stated that the Affordable Health Care Act will not burden us with a further deficit. Instead of blindly spouting party platitudes, be sure of your fact, not someone's fiction.

Isn't our DDD imposter falsely documente4d pres. wonderful? D-ceiver/ /D-vider/Destroyer

@ Bruce - here's a few new taxes listed - this is from Breitbart.com...and I'm sure you'll tell me that this is some rightwing pipedream...
While we were all debating the cost to our liberty due to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), we were ignoring the cost to our pockets. If there ever was a reason for bipartisan rage about this law, it should be on the twenty - yes, twenty - hidden new taxes of this law. Making matters even more relevant is that seven of these taxes are levied on all citizens regardless of income. Hence, Mr. Obama’s promise not to raise taxes on anyone earning less than $250,000 is just another falsehood associated with this legislation.
The first, and best known, of these seven taxes that will hit all Americans as a result of Obamacare is the Individual Mandate Tax (no longer concealed as a penalty). This provision will require a couple to pay the higher of a base tax of $1,360 per year, or 2.5% of adjusted growth income starting with lower base tax and rising to this level by 2016. Individuals will see a base tax of $695 and families a base tax of $2,085 per year by 2016.

@ Bruce again - more
Another direct hit to the middle class is the Medical Itemized Deduction Hurdle which is currently 7.5% of adjusted gross income. This is the hurdle that must be met before medical expenses over that hurdle can be taken as a deduction on federal income taxes. Obamacare raises this hurdle to 10% of adjusted gross income beginning in 2013. Consider the middle class family with $80,000 of adjusted gross income and $8,000 of medical expenses. Currently, that family can get some relief from being able to take a $2,000 deduction (7.5% X $80,000 = $6,000; $8,000 –$6,000 = $2,000). An increase to 10% would eliminate the deduction in this example and if that family was paying a 25% federal tax rate, the real cost of that lost deduction would be $500.

The fifth new tax on the middle class, and all Americans, is the Health Savings Account (HSA) Withdrawal Tax Hike. This provision increases the additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10% currently to 20% beginning in 2013. This provision actually sets these accounts apart from Investment Retirement Accounts (IRAs) and other tax advantaged accounts, all of which remain with a 10% early withdrawal tax.

@ Bruce once more...and this will go over big with the unions..
The seventh new tax that directly impacts the middle class, along with all citizens, is the Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans or the “Cadillac” Health Insurance Plan Tax. These are plans that provide extensive coverage and that are generally fully paid for, or largely paid for, by employers. This provision imposes a 40% excise tax on the employer-paid premium on taxpayers who are covered by such plans, beginning in 2018. The reason it begins in 2018 is because most unionized workers are covered by plans that fall under this definition and a deferral was made to spare union members from this tax for at least a period of time.

There's more but you get the idea... http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/29/Seven-new-taxe

OK, Susan, I'll play:
#1 - Only affects healthcare freeloaders. Are you a healthcare freeloader, refusing to pay for coverage and expecting responsible, taxpaying, middle class Americans to pick up your visits to the ER when you get sick or injured? You're not? Good, then nothing to worry about. Move on...
#2 - Again, we have to assume that any family with those kinds of medical expenses must be trying to walk the tightrope with no insurance. They fall off that tightrope, guess who pays -- yep, you and me. Get insurance, lower your out of pocket expenses, problem solved. Being covered by insurance means never having to worry about medical deductions on your income tax. Next?
#3...er, #5 - Wait, what? Did you miss copying and pasting something? We just jumped from #2 straight to #5...but OK: the increase Healthcare Savings Account penalty. Again, this is only going to hurt somebody who goes back on their promise that this untaxed money will only be used to pay for health-related expenses. The taxpayer sets the amount he wants deposited in this account each year - so it seems like the taxpayer needs to take personal responsibility for how much goes into the HSA and how it is used. Personal responsibility...isn't that what folks on the right are always begging for more of? Well, I guess this is something you can really support, then. What's next?
#6...oops, #7. (skipped another one!) Seems to me that if you're getting a Cadillac, you don't complain about the cost.

I agree; My wife and I are retired and have a grown son with a brain injury from a car accident. This bill is helping the three of us. Members of congress that voted against it get the BEST health care at no cost paid by us taxpayers and they don't want poor people in our country to get free care like they get. shame on them for being so greedy.

Frightwingslayer...i agree however the republicans and Fox news know EXACTLY what Obamacare is about. They created it and tried to pass it in the 1990's. Romney then passed it in his own state AND agreed with it on a national platform. (www.whichmitt.com/videos) They are just trying scare tactics.

As Nancy Pelosi stated, "You have to vote it in to know what's in it" and very few in Congress read the 2700 pages. Yes, there are "death panels" in the act, as they deny health care to the elderly in a number of areas. There is a doctor shortage AND 50 million newly insured, they have to control who gets covered and who won't...so let's add 30 million illegals and kill the senior citizens. Definitely looking forward to the "golden years".. Shame the liberals can't see the forest thru the trees.

Frightwingslayer, the sad thing here is that nobody knows what Obamacare is really all about. To quote Nancy Pelozi, "we have to pass it to find out what's in it."

@Irene. While that is a quote from Nancy, that is from last year. They already passed it. We know what is in it now. 2700 pages is pretty easy to read in a year. I read more than that in a month. The problem now is that some people make claims of the Act that people misread, exaggerated, or read in a prior revision before it was passed. There's a lot of false information and half-truths that needs to be fact-checked before you just start believing it, even if you think it sounds true. Maybe http://www.factcheck.org/ or find other independent sources.

Our taxes already go to pay for the hospital bills of those who do not have insurance.

As Phoneix from Philly said you already pay for all those uninsured with your taxes, as well as spiring hospital costs, longer wait times, in ER etc.. In addition everytime you pay your insurance premium and you ware wello you are paying for those ill and vice-versa. Nothing is free.

Curmudgeon: In claiming that there are "hidden taxes" should we assume that you have personally identified those "hidden taxes" or that you have actual proof of "hidden taxes"? If so, could you please enlighten us with the facts or where you have gotten that information?

Newtown Resident - Your are cherry picking your facts. Here are the Full Facts:

While it is true that every small business with fewer than 50 employees will be completely exempt from the law's employer responsibility provisions, Almost all 93 percent of larger small businesses with 50 to 199 employees Already Offer health insurance coverage. Clearly, these 93% already demonstrate that they have a strong sense of morals. Also their costs will be decreasing.

Small businesses with less than 25 employees and provide health insurance can qualify for a tax credit up to 35%, Non-for-profits up to 25% to offset the cost of insurance........This credit increases in 2014 to 50%, and 35% for non-for-profits for small businesses newly offering insurance through private insurance marketplaces called Exchanges.

The CBO estimates the ACA will cause premiums to fall up to 4% in the small group market, and up to 11% for firms receiving tax credits. (Administrative costs today run as high as 30% for small firms compared to the 7% for large employers.

CBO says the cost savings will be the result of cutting red tape and more competition.

The ACA also eliminate the concern employees have about leaving a job due to concerns of not being able to find comparable coverage.

The ACA also makes it more affordable for entrepreneurs to start their own companies as they will be able to obtain comparable health insurance coverage that they had with an employer.

Romney is absolutely 100% for Obamacare (http://www.whichmitt.com/video/health_care_again) well at least he was about 4 years ago until he wanted to run for President.

First off, a note... I am a registered Republican and very conservative. To the questions you have asked though... "Obamacare will kill jobs?" Honestly, I don't have enough facts to give you an answer. "Obamacare will put the government between you and your doctor?" Yes, it will. As I have served in the military, I know what socialized medicare is because we have it. I do not have the choice to choose a doctor, the military does that for me. If my doctor is incompetant (which I've had before) I can not switch to anyone. This same process will apply on a national level for those who take governmental health insurance policies. "Obamacare will fundamentally change the freedoms we enjoy in tyhis country." Yes/No. Anyone making an annual household income of $90,000 a year will be able to choose their own insurance company/plan. For the people under that amount, it wasn't apparent by what was said, however it seems as if you must take a governmental plan or be taxed. Just my two cents and how I see the facts in front of me. -- Ron

@ army ron...you are free to get a job some where else and not use the arm's healthcare. Like us in the private sector, the health insurance company dictates which doctor we can see and if they will pay for it or not. so its similar. Of course if I didn't like my insurer, i can quit my job and find another employer with a different plan that may cover a competant doctor that I like, or I can shell out about $2000 a month to buy a good plan on the individual market. there are soooooo many options here. under Obamacare the private insurers are still in control. just as they are with car companies. In fact the insurance shouldn't even be tied to the employer.

@ Tony. Brother, if I could have left the Army a while ago, I would have, which is why it's taken me so long... The whole contract thing :) Either way, that's no one's fault except my own. A good post though, never really understood how private sector works. Thanks for the post.

All of those talking points are scare tactics designed to get voters behind the republican candidates who oppose this bill. Those points, in my opinion, are not the real reason republicans oppose this bill. The real reason is buried in the response of the Supreme Court justices that upheld the bill on the basis that taxes can be raised by government. Oh, did somebody say raise taxes? Did somebody say raise capital gains and dividend taxes? Oh my poor 1%, don't worry, the republican politicians will save. I'm a registered republican, but they don't speak for me anymore. They sold out to Grover Norquist - they work for him, not their constituents – not even the ones who voted them in.

Army Ron: The Affordable Health Care Act is NOT government health care. We continue to choose our own private insurance companies. The government has absolutely no say in your choice of doctors. Your insurance companies will CONTINUE to be the ones that dictate your options of doctors and what has to be pre-certified treatment.

The FACT is that the Affordable Health Care Act prohibits the private insurance companies from denying people health insurance and/or medical care, due to pre-existing conditions. Also, they no longer can put limits on medical treatment, such as refusing to pay when in the middle of receiving chemotherapy treatments as well as any other treatment.

The Affordable Health Care Act has actually removed the insurance companies from standing between us and our doctors and returned the medical decision making process to the patient and the doctor.

. What was ur brother? answer a dead PIG! Thank-you President Obama for making America better. OBAMA 2012

absolute dilusional ranting. No facts to back any of that rant. However, Romney's Joseph Smith living on planet Kolob coming to save the planet is fact.

Can't reply to Travon's comment, so I'll reply here. Travon, you are a typical liberal ,,,,name calling suits you well.

Obama did it....BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO! CJ Roberts upheld it because he has a conscience. It's about time the wealthiest country in the world caught up to the other industrialized nations, and stopped the big insurance providers from playing God and passing on the costs to you and me.

Obama is not a Muslim, and if he were, this country was founded on religious freedoms. Get over it. All men are created equal....

@Teresa. Name calling seems common on both sides. Try to ignore them and only have the reasoned discussions with the people who don't resort to that.

Free care for the 20 milion illegal aliens in this country who pay no taxes and will not be paying for insurance will continue and we will continue to absorb the costs with higher health care premiumes and taxes. It is estimated that the cost of insurance will double by 2019 due to Obamacare to $25k a year for a family.

SOUNDS LIKE "ROMNEY-CARE" ALL OVER! THANK YOU "MITTENZ"! UR DA "MAN"!

@TJ. I know this was said above, but we already pay for the care of illegal aliens, and we have for years and years. The ER legally can't turn people away. No changes to health care can or will change this. Perhaps better immigration can, but that is unrelated to this health care conversation.

I agree with Justice Roberts is not the courts job to do what the Congress or the electorate is unwilling to do. But I add quickly, this is wrong for two points, one we can not afford it and two the quality of our healthcare that MOST of enjoy is going to go away. Why do you think doctors are adding Concierge medical service, and why many doctors are selling their practice to hospitals, it is all in preparation for OBamacare. Doctors will not be able to make a fair return for their efforts and expenses.

Gerry, my last doctor's bill charged me $440 for a less than one minute consultation. The total bill for the less than 30 minute cardiogram: $2775. What's the hourly rate for that? How come in countries where prices for things like consultations are standardized (like Germany: consultation €10.72 - about $13.40) doctors are able to do fine but not here? Could it be because everyone is insured?

Gov't subsidized health care is Medicare and Medicaid, not Obamacare. We all pay for the uninsured right now and have for a very long time, and those costs are rolled into our hospital bills and insurance premiums. Your premiums will go down because of this, and the only tax is a $700 charge those who choose not to get insured will be penalized. Get the facts.

@Kaemme. I think a valid question from some is, How do we apply a $700 tax to illegal aliens, who don't pay most taxes? It is a good point, however, not one that can be resolved by any kind of health care reform. That more of an immigration problem. However, some people are incorrectly using it for this conversation. I think the important distinction is that the health care reform with alleviate the costs from uninsured legal citizens, and better immigration will alleviate the costs from from uninsured illegal citizens.

How about we pay for it by asking the wealthiest people in the country to pay their fair share of taxes? I'm only asking for an EQUAL percentage, nothing higher. If I have to pay 20%, they have to pay 20%.

"at a time when the Social Democracies of Europe are collapsing under the weight of their entitlements"

Clearly you have no clue as to what has caused the crisis in the Euro countries. You need to spend some time reading legitimate economists, and less regurgitating the right's innane and incorrect talking points. The Euro crises has nothing to do with social entitlements. It has everything to do with the transfers of investments and banking issues.

@Tom, The financial crisis in the EU certainly was the event that got the ball rolling, but any financial event would by necessity knock over the next domino which is the high cost of social entitlements exacerbated by the ever growing number of people taking out of the system while not paying in. Even without a crisis there would come a point (and will in our nation) where entitlement spending becomes unsustainable. In this nation we have been just adding it to the debt every year.

You reasoning is curious because you appear to be saying the anvil falling on Wiley Coyote was not what killed him, but it was the Road Runner eating the seed in such a way the anvil didnt fall on him.

Um, first off this is not the UK nor nationalized health care. You get to pick your own doctor (unless you have an HMO and the ins co picks him/her for you). Nothing is being offered free. Absent health care Insurance reform (Obamacare previously called Romneycare, 32 million Americans uninsured (when mandate goes into effect in 14) will be insured and will not take up time in ERS, the cost of which you are paying now.
There never was "death panel" it was counseling about end of life issues bering covered so you could afford to talk with the doc about these issues.
Comparing UK and health care reform here is not evencomparing apples and oranges, it is apple vs a horsecart

My recollection is that Obama promised healthcare reform that was deficit neutral. First he bedazzled his doe eyed faithful by having two years of taxes collected before it even starts to pay claims or he wouldnt have been able to keep his ludicrous promises even with his cooked numbers. Those first numbers he used to sell this were insanely optimistic, and the CBO has twice revised those numbers to show it will be considerably more expensive. One wonders how looking at every entitlement since the 60's, anyone could be so naive as to think this program too will not grow into a black hole of tax dollars?

Seems to me that it is the Dems always whining for more freebies from the government. Sit on your ass and let Obama take care of you (with my tax dollars). I'm tired of seeing people pay for junk food with government assistance and then drive away in a brand new luxury vehicle. Time to cut the cord.

EXCEPT MAYBE THE "MORMON-ITES"? I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE "HEALTHCARE" FOR MORE THAN 1 "WIFE" AND DEFINITELY NOT 5 "LITTERS" OF "BAMBINOS" YOU CAN ONLY BE A "FATHER" OR AN "UNCLE" BUT NOT "BOTH" AT THE SAME TIME! OR ONE AND THE SAME! !

YEAH, CHANGE from BAD to REAL BAD !

And if Obama wins then, will the Republicans stop their whining?

EXCEPT MAYBE THE "MORMON-ITES"? I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE "HEALTHCARE" FOR MORE THAN 1 "WIFE" AND DEFINITELY NOT 5 "LITTERS" OF "BAMBINOS" YOU CAN ONLY BE A "FATHER" OR AN "UNCLE" BUT NOT "BOTH" AT THE SAME TIME! OR ONE AND THE SAME! !

And If the Republican's win will the Democrats lay down and play dead for 4 yrs? It might be nice. Then at least something might get done in Washington instead of just a bunch of mud slinging and posturing!

How many clients have you and the wife taken to the cleaners?

That is excellent to hear from someone who assists in that area. There are some doctors not for it, some that are. It's a republican idea that got passed by a democrat and a republican conservative Justice, who was selected from a republican.

Mr. Gasparro,
I hope you can ignore the crude, angry, pathetic comment by Joe. He surely is just an unhappy, frustrated man who needs to attack anyone he differs with.

I have some reservations about the law; nevertheless, I appreciate you posting your take on it.

I can tell you that my elderly parents have gotten their medication at a much more affordable price!

Really? None of our prescriptions have gone down. It has all been up up up!

Carol - Can you be more specific as to how our freedom has been compromised?

Yes please provide examples. Fact is before this was passed since 2002 my health care has doubled. It doubled in 2006-2007. So even without Obamacare, healthcare doubled. Health care being a business has taken off since Nixon. (http://healthcare-economist.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/01/Total%20Health%20Expenditures%20-%201970-2004.bmp) so it is a wonderful business to deny or accept certain needed procedures. Someone always pays for it, in the current system. So believe it or not, you are paying for someone who has no insurance right now. Why should i have to pay for it. So everyone pays. THat was the republican idea 1993-1994, now it it passed. Thanks Bush and Justice Roberts, the conservatives that you are. Oh and Romney too because he is for it. as most of us are as well

Carol, yes, please enlighten those of us who have spent quite a bit of time learning the provisions of the law. I must have missed something that you're aware of. Possibly something on Fox/

That's one of the most idiotic things I've ever heard. I also would love to hear your explanation for this. Bet you don't have one.

@PLD220, we have already seen it. Using the justification that our health will invariably be in the hands of government, government now compels you to make healthcare and lifestyle choices of its choosing. No transfat, no large sodas, no smoking anywhere but in hermetically sealed rooms, and even then they will use nationalized healthcare to attempt to compel people to stop. No acitivities that may be detrimental to your health. To say nothing of the fact this precedent will certainly lead to more government busybodies attempting to make you pay for what they decide is good for you.

"Its sad that our ancestors fought so hard that we would be FREE and now it is gone." Your ancestors were MURDEROUS, INHUMAN, SLAVES OWNERS, and that is how you came about your "Free".

Well said.

Thank you SCOTUS for uniting the right!

Carol, I totally understand what you are saying. Our Government now has the right to force us to buy something whether we feel that we need it or not. Our personal choice has been taken away from us by the very country who is supposed to protect our freedoms. Our family twice was in a situation where my husband was unemployed and we had to choose between buying health insurance for our young and healthy family or take a chance and do with out and pay out of pocket for anything that might come up and afford to keep paying our mortgage in full and on time. We choose our mortgage. It is a shame that choice is being take away from people now. I thought this was a country founded on freedom and personal responsibility not we all must pay in to care for everyone else even if it hurts us and our families!

MAYBE "MITTENZ" OWNS THEM? EXCEPT MAYBE THE "MORMON-ITES"? I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE "HEALTHCARE" FOR MORE THAN 1 "WIFE" AND DEFINITELY NOT 5 "LITTERS" OF "BAMBINOS" YOU CAN ONLY BE A "FATHER" OR AN "UNCLE" BUT NOT "BOTH"!

Rosemary B... Funny how this court takes away our Personal Choice and one of the best healthcare plans in the area is BlueCross Personal Choice. lol. Everyone better get their wallets out. HOW CAN A POOR OR UNEMPLOYED PERSON PAY A (FINE) TAX FOR NOT HAVING HEALTHCARE WHEN THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Middle class screwed again. Thanks O BLAME O.

THOSE "ROB-ME" BOTS! TALKIN OUT "DEY ASSEZ" AGAIN! "DA MITTEN-ETTES" AND "MORMON-ITES" HAVE NO "RAM" ONLY "ROM" IT;S...BLAH...BLAH...BLAH! ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT! WATCHIN RUSH/GLENN "RERUNS" GETTA LIFE...N...GETTA PLAN!

Agree with ya there Bob. Government employees, government healthcare, just like the military, get what we give ya. This will save multi millions a year in tax subsidized Cadillac health plans for public sector employees!!

IT MORE EASY TO "SPUE" VEMOM THAN "FACT CHECK"! SOUNDS LIKE "ROMNEY-CARE" ALL OVER! THANK YOU "MITTENZ"! UR DA "MAN"!

no mary...Romney is 100% FOR obamacare...THat is a fact, or is a fact when Romney wakes up on the right side of the bed, if he wakes on the left side of the bed, then he is for something else. But Romney is absolutely the biggest socialist. Passed in his own state and wants national healthcare. no doubt about it.

http://www.whichmitt.com/video/health_care_again

Sorry Mary, but you are wrong on all accounts.

Insurance companies are still privately owned companies NOT owned by our government.

The Affordable Health Care Act actually protects the customer (the American people) from the insurance companies denying us health insurance due to pre-existing conditions and prevents the insurance companies from putting limits on payments,(like if you were receiving chemotherapy when trying to beat cancer). Surely you are smart enough to understand that this law has removed insurance company "death panels" and eliminated them from rationing health care.

Additionally, I'm sure you are smart enough to realize that every time an uninsured person walks into the emergency room (where treatment is most expensive) it drives up the cost of services and that cost has been passed along to those of us who responsibly purchased health insurance for years.

In other words, we have been taxed (if you will) by private business to pay for those who did not have insurance and got nothing for paying for their health care. At least when we pay other taxes we get something for it.

One other thing.... It is the Corporate sponsored/ former politician PAC sponsored Tea Party that has been organized and run according to the rules of Saul Alinsky.

If your a senior citizen you might want to re-check the amount of money you pay for your medications. The Affordable Health Care Act has already decreased the cost of medication for seniors.

Carol in regards to ... "Why should the gov decide what we spend OUR money on? This is the reason that our ancestors came to American to get away from the taxation in Europe." ...I always thought the same thing. Why do I have to pay for non-sense wars??? When Bush gave $1 billion to the country Georgia, why give my money away??? When Bush gave $100 million to Pakistan. Thats my money why don't I get to decide??? And it continues today. We still give billions of dollars to foreign countries and can care less about taking care of our own people.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/10/04/us/politics/us-foreign-aid-since-1977.html?ref=politics

I work 3 jobs and pay taxes. How exactly does that make me a socialist?

I THOUGHT WE CAME TO AMERICA FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM?
THE "TEA-BAGGERZ" CAME TO GET "FREE" TAXES "KNOWHATIMEANZ"?

NICHT HABIEN "STUPPEN" MINE FRAU! ZAVOL? VOUS IST "SCHWEINENHOUNDEN"
CAPISCH? NOW GO CLEAN THE LITTERBOX KITTIEZ "GOTTA POO"!

Please explain BethTwp?

Question: Who owns the insurance companies?
Answer: They are privately owned and will continue to be privately owned.

Question: Who owns the hospitals?
Answer: Private and Public depending on your choice or depending on what hospital your private insurance company will cover.

Question: Who has been paying for all the (free) medical treatment that the uninsured have gotten by having to go to the most expensive place to get medical treatment (the emergency room)?
Answer: All of us who could afford and/or responsibly purchase insurance for ourselves and our families.

Question: Who mandated that those who are insured pay for the uninsured's medical treatment?
Answer: Our private insurance companies.

Question: How does the Affordable Health Act change that?
Answer: First... We will no longer be paying for others health care and not getting anything for paying that tax. Second... As more and more people become insured, health care costs go down, and the customers (us) will pay lower costs. This will take time, but will happen.

Question: Why did the private insurance companies "tax" the responsibly insured?
Answer: Unpaid for medical treatment drives up the cost of medical treatment (the money to pay for it has to come from some where). Therefore, when the cost goes up so does the cost for insurance for the responsibly insured.

Czar Obama is on his bus tour! Making more promises to his sheep. Leads his sheep to the cool aid stand, to make sure they continue to tow the communist line. I'm sure Obama is making Stalin proud on this day.

Ever try minding your own business, Beth? Your comment/implied behavior makes me ill.

Yes, and then get in a big, fancy car making sure they don't soil their designer clothes.

Believe it or not, there are actually tax paying citizens who use resources like WIC to ensure healthy meals for their families. Oh, and Beth, I buy milk, eggs, cheese, cereal and peanut butter.

@moe- seriously. Miserable elitist POS (not you Moe, Beth)

@ BethTwp..Ever see how the Native Indians were kill and Africans were bought here for slavery, so you could stand behind people that you won't give a job?

NOT LATELY...BEEN TOO BUSY WORKIN 3 JOBZ...I EAT AT THE "Y"! CAPISCH?

GOOD POINT

Get your facts straight. It is NOT A WIC card. It is an EBT card.
WIC- WOMEN,INFANTS, CHILDREN, highly regulated on what you can buy
EBT- ELECTRONIC BENEFITS TRANSFER- can buy anything but is divided between taxable and non taxable items....DUH

really??? Romney is 100% for national healthcare and Obamacare. that is fact.
http://www.whichmitt.com/video/health_care_again

So vote Romney mr flipper himself. So is the tea party out protesting about the billions (or trillions) we give away to foreign aid and wars to non-Americans? which takes presidence? health of Americans or money for non-Americans?

And what, pray tell, has this so-called "nanny state" kept you from doing today that you have so wanted to be free to do? I get really tired of hearing this baloney from angry right-wing libertarians and it's complete hogwash. Specifically, what have you wanted to do since you woke up today that you couldn't do because somebody from the federal government told you you couldn't? Where did you want to go that a government officially stopped you, who did you want to talk with that were told you couldn't, what did you want to buy or sell that you were stopped from buying or selling? I'd wager that if you're honest, the answer is that the government has had virtually zero impact on your life, other than the time you've spent here today complaining about it.

@Bruce - been through an airport lately?

So Susan - because of airport security (put in place by a conservative Republican administration, mind you), you are convinced that the governement is restricting your freedom and deserves to be called a "nanny state"? Really? I fly about a dozen times a year and I'm personally fine with gate security measures. Sure, it's a pain, but I feel a lot safer in the air because of it.

Bruce, the government is about to force me to buy health insurance or pay a penalty/tax whether I feel I need insurance or not. Or whether I need that money to keep a roof over my head or fund my kids college fund or not. The government feels they know best how I should spend my money. What might the government force us to buy next?

Rosemary - you have kids and you don't have health insurance for them? If you have a job, you and your family need to be covered. Yes, before you take money for a "college fund." Otherwise, when you or your kids get sick or injured, you will risk everything -- including that college fund -- and all of us + the government will wind up footing the bill because you made choice not to be covered. If your finances are really tight -- if you are unemployed, or underemployed, or too ill to work -- there are subsidies that will be available so that you can get insurance and have one less major worry in your life. Good luck.

and i agree carol. but again health of our citizens or giving money to other countries? what takes presidence? Bring our troops home, our troops have been dying and are not safe trying to rebuild other countries costing lives and trillions of dollars. Thats why everyone got duped into voting for Romney instead of Paul. but that is another story. Romney is FOR national Healthcare, his record and statements are fact. So either way, this bill is here to stay.

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Carol and Tony,
I agree with both of you. We should NOT be sending money to other countries, in fact if we stopped all foreign aid, image how much money would be saved each year. However it does not change the fact that government has no business telling me or you that we must have healthcare! What is next, where does this government intrusion end???
It is exactly that, intrusion. I resent it, and unlike most posting here, if it was done by a "Republican" I would feel the same way. This is not about parties, this is about right and wrong, and this "tax" is all about control.

Well, all that you have to do is read the bill to see whats in it. Its completely horrible!

agreed. However, Romney has said it was absolutely awesome for HIS state, and that if it were nationwide it would be just as awesome. So I am with you wait and see how it goes.
oh and here is the facts I provided about Romney:
http://www.whichmitt.com/video/health_care_again

I think its scary when they say "we'll find out whats in the bill after it is passed". After its passed and becomes law and then we find out what we're in for.

Piotrowski, please tell us all what you have read in the bill that makes it so "horrible". We would all really like to know your specific complaints, because usually when people actually read the bill they come away with a completely different point of view.

carol burnette, It's pretty scary that you don't know that the Affordable Health Care Act was a bill passed in Congress, with a bi-partisan vote, a year ago. It is also interesting that if you were aware of that and you were so "scared" that you have yet to take the time to read the bill and get the facts.

"Huge"? Hahahahaha! Don't forget your sun screen.

Nah, they won't need sunscreen, that is what the silly hats and bonnets are for.

Guess you don't understand HMO's do this every minute of every day.

The Affordable Care Act may sound wonderful but there's nothing simple about it. Ask your employer if its so wonderful when they will be paying for it and to pay for it there will be decisions to be made on how to pay for it. Less employees and more work for the employees that have to do their job and the jobs of the employees that were laid off.

Sure. Lets just ignore what the real causes of skyrocketing heathcare is, such as frivolous law suits, fraud, duplication of efforts, malpractice insurance, and preventing insurance companies from competing across state lines. That's just a few. So we'll just have to pay for it. In the words on Nancy Pelosi " Well we'll have to pass the bill before you get to know what's in it." That should have been the hint....

again...Romney is FOR national healthcare. it is fact from his past record and statements:
http://www.whichmitt.com/video/health_care_again

A republican passed it in the Supreme Court so it is no shoe in for anyone at this point. Plus, this was a republican idea from the 1990's so the republicans have just about the same hand in the bill, just that Obama was able to pass it through with his awesome leadership:)

More IRS agents? If it creates jobs that's a good thing, right?

Every person at one point or another uses health care, they have no need of a gun, your analogy is completely irrelevant.
Insurance rations your healthcare, there is nothing in bill about rationing healthcare or other government involvement. Sadly you choose to believe the lies of FOX and the repubs and tea partiers. (And notice how mnay of the tea partiers have lost their primaries because people are seeing the folly of those people)
And as has been repeated, and repeated, and repeated. Obamacare is Romneycare, in fact read about it, The affordable health care act which predicated on Romneycare, which Romney was for (oops, Romney created and enacted in Mass. when he was gov.) until he was against it.

@carol- how typical, throw out the Fox news mantra. Should I decide that your views have been formed at the feet of Chris Matthews? Democratic Underground?

See ya in November, hon.

It is about health care. Comparing firearms that kill to healthcare that saves lives??? Romney won't win, he wrote this law! What an idiot he sounds like arguing against it! Have you seen his official Massachusettes portrait...the one with his health care policy on the desk that he's so proud of? The one where he touted the individual mandate???

"We're going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that have allowed some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary, and that's crazy. It's time we stopped it."
-Ronald Reagan

Jobs are jobs.....

Jobs are Jobs? Not really. Government jobs don't create anything and only take money from the taxpayer. Kinda like the right hand giving money to the left. We need to grow the private sector and I'm thinking this affordable healthcare bill might just be a job killer.

Not in an American in which we can have pride.

Recent college grads??? I guess personal responsibility is too much ask of people today?
Has provided healthcare to millions, yes at the expense of those us that work for a living.
So I guess next this piece of crap in the white house will say everyone deserves a free home, along with their "free" cell phone and internet, that we the taxpayer continue to pay for. Our Founding Fathers are turning over in their graves................ Welcome to the new Socialist States of America, brought to you by Barrack Obama and the "Supreme Court"...

I'm speaking of recent college grads who have either been unable to find a job, or have a job that does not offer benefits. For your information, those of us working for a living have been paying for others' healthcare for years. We absorb the cost of the uninsured who use the emergency room as a doctor's office.

And that's Barack, with one "r".

WHO CARES! LET'S GO "SMART BOMB" SOME "ARM-PIT" THIRD WORLD COUNTRY BACK INTO THE STONE AGE! IT'S MORE FUN! KNOWHATIMEAN?

You pay now for all the uninsured everytime someone uses the ER as their own private doc, and if state supported hospital, you pay with taxes as will as increased costs.
Better, wouldn;t you say if those who can pay somewhat will now be in an iunsurance pool where they will buy insurance and not clog up the ers (or not get care and instead infect you and others when their TB, influenza, hep, other infectious diseases not diagnosed in a timely fashion

Joe. You are so right. Can I send my bill to Nancy Pelosi? She will have to pay it before she knows what's in it!

Taxpayers will always subsidize thse unable to work. Those who won;t may not be able to place in the exchanges( guess -I don't know how that will work).
Lawsuits out of control is another fallacy put forth by the repubs. Public citizen has estimated 85% of all med. malpractice is committed by 15% of docs. As long as the state and medical societies do not sanctiion these docs and as long as there is a blue wall of silence patients will continue to be injured and docs get away with it. By the way it is estimated 85% of all suits, no matter the level of proof, is won by the doctor. Everytime a miscreant doctor is alolowed to continue his practice it increases the chances of you or I being injured.
The other issues I agree with you, particularly fraud, double billing, but include too rediculous profit, 20$ for a tylenol type of billing.

It's amazing that anyone could come up with such a complicated healthcare billl that does nothing to reduce healhcare costs. Stupidest thing I ever heard. Fix healthcare first! Then you could probably cover the hard-core unemployable with the savings.

Mr Socialist Ronald Reagan...class warefare maverick!

"We're going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that have allowed some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary, and that's crazy. It's time we stopped it." - Ronald Reagan

HOW BOUT "NO GOVT"? THAT OUGHT TO SAVE A BUNDLE? HERE'S ONE FOR "CONGRESS" NO VOTE...NO PAY! NO PENSION...NO FREE HEALTHCARE! THAT OUGHT TO BE OUR MAIN CONCERN! "SCHITZ OR GETTS OFF DER POT"! I GOT "YOUR" COMMERCE CLAUSE "RIGHT HERE"!
STU GOTTS! CAPISCH? SOUNDS LIKE "ROMNEY-CARE" ALL OVER! THANK YOU "MITTENZ"! UR DA "MAN"! NOW GO "PLAY" WITH YOUR "MITT DA RIPPER" TALKIN "BOBBLEHEAD"! BUT CLEAN OUT THE LITTERBOX FIRST! KITTIES "GOTTA POO"!

OBAMA NEVER STOLE MY PENSION! CAN'T RECALL HIM "SCALPIN FAGGOTTS" EITHER! "ONE TERM" WILLARD IS A "WASHED UP" HAS BEEN "LOSER" HE CAN GO RUN FOR PRES. IN THE CAYMAN ISLANDS...PUT HIS "MOUTH" WHERE HIS "MONEY IS"!

I CONCUR! SEAL TEAM VI "SMOKED" OSAMA...NUFF SAID! NO "WMD's" EITHER!

Looking forward to NOT seeing those insipid Obama ads in the sidelines here on the Patch as well (side benefit).

Also looking forward to seeing all those waivers granted to various companies and unions exempting them from this wonderful affordable healthcare bill rescinded first thing in the morning. What a country.

I stopped listening to the left wing media & started listening talk shows that tell the truth e.g. Laura Ingraham she is on 1180 a.m. starting @ 3:00 p.m. Mon. thru Fri.

Harry, you need to think about your mother and father, as well as you surname when reply to these issues. If you don't have insurance and don't feel others should have insurance then state that. If you don't have facts then state that. If you just hate Obama state that. Ignorance is unappreciated.

The typical american citizen is brainless and spineless. They are sheep and will defend their masters until the day they die. Nothing you say can help them, it's too late. The mercury, the pesticides, the "programming" from their TV sets have worked well. The "takers" need to understand that the power elite will only let them live so long. No one want's "takers", they are a drain on our society. Since the power elite are looking to decrease our population, I would imagine the lazy takers would be the first to go.

Teresa,
When the economy is cooking and everybody is making money the sheeple don't pay attention. But now that we are in a depression the sheeple have time to think, because they are unemployed, and they see what the Elite are doing.
I say those that have woken up, lets meet for coffee in Wayne!

IT'S ALREADY STARTED...THE "HAVES" AND "HAVE-NOTS"...SORT OF LIKE THE FRENCH REVOLUTION! JUST ASK "MARIE ANTOINETTE" YOU CAN ONLY" KEEP" A "BROTHA" DOWN FOR SO LONG!

I WASN'T "SURPRISED"! I GOT "YOUR" COMMERCE CLAUSE "RIGHT HERE"!
STU GOTTS! CAPISCH? SOUNDS LIKE "ROMNEY-CARE" ALL OVER! THANK YOU "MITTENZ"! UR DA "MAN"! NOW GO "PLAY" WITH YOUR "MITT DA RIPPER" TALKIN "BOBBLEHEAD"! BUT CLEAN OUT THE LITTERBOX FIRST! KITTIES "GOTTA POO"!

Nice post Teresa,
I love how the liberals have no defense when it comes to the facts!!! All they can do is attack. But then again, raising my taxes to pay for someone else's problem is always the way of the liberal. However I made a statement about three years ago, it is never more true than right now. This piece of toad stool in the white house makes Jimmy Carter look good!!

Raising taxes and taxing the wealthy was Reagan's idea. Fact.
"We're going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that have allowed some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary, and that's crazy. It's time we stopped it."

Here is a video to provide fact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgbJ-Fs1ikA

Call it what you want, just semantics. It won't be repealed, it's here to stay. Get used to it. You probably won't even notice any changes to you personally except lower costs to you, better coverages, and all the benefits you will reap from the good things in this law.

So, you have to worry about taxes if you don't have coverage and could afford it, if you tan, or if you belong to the '1%'.
Republicans oppose this not because it's Health Care, but because it raises taxes (on the 1%) and they've sold out to Grover Norquist.

Teresa, by your thinking the private insurance company business has been charging responsible people a tax, on our health insurance for years and years, because they have increased our costs in response to the increased costs of health care, do to so many people receiving (free) treatment, because they are not insured.

The Affordable Health Care Act will drive costs of our health insurance down as more and more people purchase health insurance to cover their own costs for treatment, rather than those costs being passed on to others.

Why are you "entitled" to health care? And if you really are "entitled" for some crazy reason that I haven't discovered yet, were you not "entitled" before? I don't remember hospitals EVER turning a patient away, do you? Obviously you have a computer and the internet. You most likely have a digital flat screen TV with cable, a cell phone, a car, right? So all of these items take priority over paying for health insurance? Oh, and by the way, your freedom of speech, religion and gun rights are about to be taken away. But don't worry, I hear there's a sale at Wegman's! I bet you're "entitled" to food stamps too, so hurry on over and stock up on those Alaskan King Crab Legs that us working people that don't have all of your "entitlements" can't afford.

AMEN TO THAT!

Correct! Civil societies understand that health care is an issue about humanity and should be available for all human beings. Civil societies also understand that health care does cost money and that to pay for those costs everyone needs to participate.

People cannot be turned away by hospitals, which means that it is really commonsense that we all must participate or only some will continue to pay for all.

Anything that is about something anyone of selfworth and dignity never worries about what others have or what good fortune they receive there are many people of different races and genders that are in need of healthcare but they sit around like you and talk alot of crap like they are above it get in line step up to the plate this healthcare is for you and you and you we have that right

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT..SO HOW WAS YOUR "DATE" WITH THE "IRON MAIDEN"? DID YOU USE "PROTECTION" WOULDN'T WANT YOU GETTIN THE "CLAP" THIS CLOSE TO THE ELECTION! I HEAR SHE'LL "DO IT" FOR A KING CRAB LEG?

Of course if you list the positives of something and no negatives people will like it! Now let's try listing the negatives and not the positives, like all the taxes, and see how it fares. I usually don't insult, but that was one of the stupidest statements I have ever read! My apologies, but sometimes I just can't help myself!

OR MAYBE THE "MORMON-ITES"? I DON'T THINK YOU CAN HAVE "HEALTHCARE" FOR MORE THAN 1 "WIFE" AT A TIME? AND DEFINITELY NOT 5 "LITTERS" OF "BAMBINOS" YOU CAN ONLY BE A "FATHER" OR AN "UNCLE" BUT NOT "BOTH"AT ONCE?

Dynamo47: Clearly you don't seem to understand that the Affordable Health Care Act is NOT the government taking over health care. Health Insurance will continue to be provided by private health insurance companies.

In fact, the Affordable Health Care Act makes sure that you are no longer going to be footing the bill for others medical treatment.

And why have so many companies and unions received exemptions from it if it's so good?

I believe that the elected representatives (at least in D.C.) choose from a couple of health insurance pools, which is and will be available to small businesses and other groups of people, like those with long term illnesses or diseases, which will keeps their costs down.

Susan: Companies and Unions are not exempt from the Affordable Health Care Act. You need to spend some time learning about this bill. It was passed a year ago.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Declaration of Independence July 4th 1776

Thank you Harry!

I really could not have said it any better. Though the Democrats are also at fault for feebly opening the debate with what should have at worst been the 'fallback, compromise' on health care, instead of starting it with full on Medicare for all/single payer coverage. And of course, we got less than that proposal.
This isn't over until everyone has healthcare as a basic right of citizenship, like all the other industrialized countries (like Canada, where all the sourpusses who 'lost' yesterday are threatening to move, unaware of their health plan).

to be fair, there was ONE REPUBLICAN that addressed healthcare and socialized it for his state.....hmmmmm....what's his name....oh yeah Romney, and he said the best thing to do is to pass it nationwide. http://www.whichmitt.com/video/health_care_again

Wow, Nick, sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me!

But, seriously, It is not the job of the right to lay down and play dead for 4 yrs and give the democrats all they want. It is still their job to do what THEY think is right for their constituents who sent them to Washington, DC. Will the Dems lay down for 4 yrs when a Republican wins? Maybe that is the system that we need. No ,more of those silly checks and balances. Just Winner takes ALL for 4 or 8 yrs! Maybe then something would get done in Washington if they did not have to do any of that distasteful COMPROMISING!

So QED, you would rather private business be the ones that tax responsible Americans that purchase heath care insurance and redistribute that money to pay for those that don't have health care insurance?

WIC cards are pieces of paper that are used for identification. WIC items are paid for with a check that has very specific items listed on it. WIC cards do not reload at midnight. And before you say anything-yes I know this because I use them. I use them because they are very helpful. I also use them because MY tax dollars pay for them.

The same politicians who hate the healthcare mandate love to mandate intrusive procedures for women. The same people who don't want the government telling them what they can or cannot do will be the first to judge others for what they do or do not buy. Just because you use food stamps, WIC or other forms of help does not mean you don't work. And just because you work it does not mean that you earn a living wage. We are all one paycheck away from needing public welfare at all times and the humblest of us keep that in the back of our minds.

Teresa you are always on the ball!!! Keep up my friend!!

Now that is the truth and common sense!

Gee, I wonder why the poverty rate has risen, federal welfare has risen??? Hmmm, let me think... Oh yeah, in a quick (8) years the President of the United States and his administrations policies had us standing on the door step of a depression that would have been greater than the Great Depression. Who pulled America away from that door step of a Depression? President Obama. When did America begin to see constant job growth? Under President Obama. When did the financial bills of (2) wars become public and put on the accounting books? When President Obama said the public had the right to know how much of a tab had and has been run up.

Teresa, your source is a partisan organization that was started and seed funded by the Koch brothers, who also seed funded the "Tea Party" under the guise of being some "grass roots" movement.

Earnest, I think the problems of our economy are way to complicated to simply say "It's Bush's fault" all the time! There were administrations before Bush whose decisions still affect today's economy. And, of course, there is the current POTUS. Will it ever be his fault or does he simply get a pass on everything? In case people have forgotten, 9/11 had a devastating effect on the economy, and yet unemployment was down to below 5% for many many months during the Bush years.
http://reflectionsofarationalrepublican.com/2012/06/01/bush-vs-obama-unemployment-may-2012-jobs-data/
People kept on saying how the economy was so bad under Bush, yet I remember the Carter years and how bad things were then. What we have now is a bad economy.

Trolling is not in the bill of rights. Why do I bother arguing with you. You are probably some poor uneducated fool venting your frustration at your miserable life here on a meaningless forum. Enjoy your pathetic life while I enjoy my great life. Not quite 1%, but easily 5%. Keep slaving away angry poor man, I'm thinking about adding on to the summer home.

Don- thanks for pointing that out! I've noticed the same thing as well. Some of the vitriol flung here just makes me sick, regardless of what side of the issue you're in. There are PLENTY of places to spew this type of stuff. What I've liked about the Patch is the ability to get local information that is relevant to me as a resident of this township. While the issue of this ruling is relevant- there really isn't any logical, insightful discussion being had here despite the 300+ comments.

The Affordable Health Care Act is a "hot button" issue only because of two things. First the Administration did not do a very good job of educating the public and second, those who swore that they would do everything they could to bring down a Presidency (which by the way amounts to also bringing down the country) took advantage of that time to promote a great deal of false propaganda as well as out right lies.

That being said, the Affordable Health Care Act is actually a very important issue of our time, as it brings the United States much closer to obtaining health care for all or our citizens and further away from third world country status in health care. It was also done without killing the private business of selling health care insurance.

Yes, "hot button" issues may bring out the "crazies" however, it also brings about a discussion in our own community that for some may be educational and prove to be helpful to those who have not gotten all the facts.

Don M - I agree that many people are making emotionally charged accusations with respect to the health care issue and writing inappropriate comments. Certainly there is no need for some of what is written here. Consider though that many people are extremely frustrated by the state of the economy, the apparent lack of consequences for committing fraud in the financial systems, ongoing wars with no end in sight, out of control illegal immigration, rising living costs, falling home values, and a federal government which is somehow unaccountable for anything. There are plenty of reasons to be angry.

David, I do take your charges of racism very seriously. You have a choice of either quoting any racist remark I posted as proof that I am a racist, or retracting your statement. If you refuse, I will pursue immediate action against you for slandering me.

Teresa, little civics lesson for you. It is pretty hard to prove slander for a nameless person. Now if you stated your full name, things could be different. As far as I am concerned, I just thought you were just another deranged bigot out there, just like Kenyan. I stand by my original remarks. I am going to be "watchin" for your posts in the future to see if I am wrong.

I'm sorry, Earnest. I don't think you belong here. The comments section of Patch is reserved solely for people flying off of the handle and spouting hyperbolic overreactions to everything. Clear thinking and reason are discouraged, and most commenters will choose to ignore you as a result.

(Seriously...very well said. Most of your posts here have made a lot of sense and I'm glad to see someone actually look at the facts to gauge a reaction rather than relying on what their political leaders are telling them it means)

The poor will get it for free. The rich can afford it. The middle class will be mandated or penalized into poverty over Health Insurance premiums! Healthy people and families who pay little out of pocket for their health care cause they are healthy will have to pay for something they do not want or need just because the government says they think it is best for society. Rent may go unpaid, people may get evicted. College funds will go unfunded. Retirement accounts may go unfunded because the government thinks they know best. No need for us to worry our pretty little heads about what to spend our money on. Let the government decide for us.

BHO makes Jimmy Carter look good.................. That's a fact jack........

I'm already paying $100/month as a single person, on top of a $1500/yr deductible, so I guess that Vladimir Obama will make that all better right???

Really? my Dr still takes cold hard cash. When we had no insurance went still went to the dr for strep or poison ivy or whatever. I would ask how much it was, they would tell me and I would pay it. What makes you think that someone who can't afford $100 occasionally for a simple dr visit will be able to afford Insurance Premiums?

Republicans had 8 years under Bush 2 to enact health care reform. They really were not interested in it and still aren't. "Repeal and replace" has already been changed simply to "Repeal." The Dems won this one. That's how our government works. We have to focus on making the ACA effective and move forward.

Teresa, THE GOVERNMENT HAS NOT TAKEN OVER HEALTH CARE! THE IRS IS NOT IN CHARGE OF HEALTH CARE! Why do you fail to understand those two very simple FACTS?

We all still purchase health insurance from Private Health Insurance Companies. The government does NOT own our hospitals or our doctors offices. Doctors offices are private practices/businesses.

The ACA has eliminated the Insurance Companies "death panels" that have denied coverage and refused payment to paying customers, and created ways to limit the terms of agreement with the paying customers, when they were in the middle of treatment for life threatening diseases.

The ACA is a win win for the American People and the Private businesses. It's not perfect, but it is long over due. The American people living in one of the wealthiest nations of the world have had third world status in heath care availability long enough.

You have it so right!

No, Canada does not hate their healthcare system, neither does VT or MA, look up CommonwealthCare.

The fact you deleted all your posts is a good thing. I still stand by my original remarks, From now on don't resort to racial stereotypes ,and you will not have this problem-duh!

Bravo!!!

Double Bravo!

How about instead we just read what the Heritage Foundation published themselves?
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/sourcefiles/1989_assuring_affordable_health_care_for_all_americans.pdf
Happy reading!

PS, See page 8.

Illuminati, President Obama and the Democratic Party do NOT stand for increased government. This thread is about the Affordable Health Care Act. It was passed last year in Congress with a bi-partisan vote. It is NOT a government take over of health care or bigger government.
The Affordable Health Care Act is the government knowing factually, that some of us cannot afford to continue to pay for others to have free health care. Why? Because free treatment increases the cost for the provider, who then seeks to cover that cost by passing it on to all of us via the constantly rising cost of insurance.

It's about Personal Responsibility. It's about the United States getting away from our third world status of people dying, because they don't have health care. The United States of America have one of the highest rates infant mortality rates.

No one wants anyone to die in the streets! But that is what charity is for. I would hope that most of us give to our churches and charity organizations. It should not have to be mandated and regulated by the government. But I guess that is what food stamps and welfare also is. Government mandated and regulated charity. I think it is causing as many problems as it helps. We now have generations of people who are dependent on the government systems. There must be a way to balance charity with promoting personal responsibility.

I know *I* always look to the Short Fingered Vulgarian as the ne plus ultra of wisdom, political knowledge and coiffure advice. Heh.

Amen to that Jo M!

Ah yes...Donald Trump. The man who had to close his own casinos due to bankrupting them and still thinks Obama is a Kenyan. That's a guy with a lot of credibility in this discussion.

Trumps' statement hits the nail right on the head!!!! And again, everything he's stated is fact and not only that, but it is 100% true!! Keep up the great work Teresa!!!!
Tear down this wall of truth Albert!!

Harry, does this mean you are going to start quoting Trump in your posts. That would be a revolting turn of events to say the least.

The recession that "officially began in late 2007" is the end result of the many years of bad policies and the President and a rubber stamp Congress that spent our money like drunken fools, engaged in wars, (one totally unnecessary) that were not included on the books and not paid for, A President that never, ever ask all Americans to join the war effort, created policy without paying for it, decreased revenue, not just for ten years but unending, via tax cuts that were not needed, and turning a projected surplus into a huge financial debt for the country.

Two years with Blue Dogs (faux Democratic Party Members) worried about their jobs and a party that has sworn to take down the President of the United States.

Not hard to understand. Also look at all the charts. You will see that it is our current President's policies that are turning our country around for the better.

about ten times more were killled in JFK's war

It's in the eye of the beholder. I feel BHO is the worst U.S. president. He had spent, lied and divided. Had GWB ordered the killing of an U.S. citizen by predator strike, you and the media would be screaming, but when this creep does it, you swoon. Again, it's how you look at it.

Earnest....you know when you provide FACTS like this...Romney Supporters turn a blind eye and are either too dumb to realize they voted in the wrong guy for their Presidential candidacy or just can't see facts as being real.

oh and to add ALL the Mitt Romney's flippy floppy's can be seen here. I especially love the one where he is 100% FOR national healthcare and Obamacare. That one is awesome, because all of a sudden is against and for it, everything but the name Obamacare, he is for. That is 100% fact, and I am waiting to be proven wrong. www.whichmitt.com/videos

the supporters will try to post things of what he might do if elected, but his past record of fact, of passing ROmneycare and his past words will haunt him and will ultimately cost him the election.

Tax/penalty/smalshty...Call it whatever you want...Only for those who choose not to buy insurance will get soaked with extra donation to the kitty.

Not a tax per Romney.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-obama-agree-health-care-individual-mandate-not-154845339.html

Bottom line: you're wrong. The Republicans weren't going to cooperate if Jesus Christ himself endorsed it.

What percentage of costs do private insurers spend making sure hospitals don't overcharge me? I was billed $24K for less than 16 hrs in the hospital after being hit by a car - the driver left the scene and was never found. I had my insurance card in my wallet (which I am sure they found) and was put through a gauntlet of tests.

My insurance company negotiated the bill down to about $8K and my out of pocket was $800. If forcing insurance companies to spend 80% on health care limits their ability to negotiate a $24K bill down to an $8K bill, I do not think that is so good. The problem lies more in the actual costs and I do not see how taxing a hospital for purchasing a medical device is going to help drive costs down - to name one issue I have with this new plan. Someone please explain that one!

Hospitals should treat every person coming into the ER as if they have no insurance and are not going to get paid. I.e. Do what makes sense - not what makes money. Much easier said than done though!

Jenna, Please provide some factual information that is proof of your claim that the AHCA is a "redistribution of medical care globally". That makes absolutely no sense.

I have know idea how old you are, but it appears as though you have not read the bill. However, your choice of places that you have listed for medical care pretty much gives you away. Living one's life with so much unnecessary fear and hate is not good for the soul.

Jenna Reese, The ACHCA only says that if a patient (wants) to make an appointment with their physician to discuss their plans and options for end of their life care (life support etc.) that the appointment doe not cost anything.

My family all have living wills. However, many people are alone and have only their physician to make arrangements with, and there are some people who don't want their children to be put in the position of making the calls, even if they do have a living will.

Personally, If I had a terminal illness or were getting close to death, I would want to talk with my doctor about medications, comfort, and if I wanted any life support.

The UN Agenda 21 business is nothing more than a group of people asking for donations and making money from paranoid and fearful people that are willing to swallow their propaganda. These people have no credibility and are speaking to tea party groups because a large portion of their group are Senior Citizens. They are running a scam no different than TV evangelist like Tammy F. Baker, etc.

With respect to your referencing Project Death in America, what don't you understand about palliative care? This is care for all ages who have a serious illness and their families to help them and especially the patient live a quality life, with their illness. How is that a bad thing?

I hope you are not gullible enough to send these organizations money.

Jenna,
Very well said, but the socialist free loaders don't care what the facts are, they just feel they are entitled to their "free" healthcare to go with their free cell phone and internet. For those who continue to say we are attacking the poor, wrong, we are attacking the leaches of society. The deadbeats who sit at home collecting welfare and making babies, and guess who pays for them, we do!!!!

So what do you geniuses suggest be done? Nothing?

Sugaree,
What do I suggest be done, nothing would be correct! Name one thing that government has ever got its hands into that has improved anyones lives. Lets see we have the welfare state, medical assistance, social security, food stamps, and of these has any person improved their way of life or are they still collecting welfare??

interesting video from John Stossel (20/20 before he joined Fox News) now an obvious Republican so this must be true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W37NkjplWQ&feature=related

This video would be a lot more convincing if it had even a tiny shred of documentation to back up her claims that England lets old people die of cancer. What nonsense. England has a higher life expectancy than the US, but manages that figure by letting those with cancer just die while we take care of elderly cancer patients? Being on YouTube doesn't mean it's true.

Not saying it is true or not just saying it is out there. I also have a friend who was pregnant while her and her husband were working in England. She toured the hospital there when she was 7 months pregnant and got on a plane to deliver in the US. She said she did not feel like complications would be handled as well there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=7XsRzfckneg&NR=1

Jeff, maybe you will like this video better. Here is a 20/20 about how long the waits are in Canada and England.

Jeff Lugar,
England's issues with cancer and mortality rates have been well documented. The US spends more to treat certain types of cancer and has better mortality rates in relation to those cancers. I believe many look to the OECD for those numbers since they keep regular statistics on their 34 participating countries health systems.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/272078.stm
http://www.standard.co.uk/newsheadlines/uk-lags-on-cancer-survival-rates-6371356.html

Despite England's increased spending in this area, they have still not been able to close the gap. Even more disturbing is studies show they have a big disparity in health care between the affluent parts of their country vs. the poor areas. Seeing these results, how does this help equalize health care across a country?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/mar/01/uk-cancer-big-spend-limited-success

Another issue England faces with their National Health Service system is the use of postcode lottery within their health care system
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/2700686/Healthcare-postcode-lottery-means-patients-losing-out-on-cancer-treatments.html

Hopefully this is not what our country is in store for with this new health care law.

EXACTLY! Pres.... want all that you just listed???? Move to Massachusetts. Some socialist person created that environment...who can that be....oh who can that be....

www.whichmitt.com/videos

also go to that site

www.whichmitt.com/videos

and EXPLAIN to us which mitt you agree with.... The mitt from 2 weeks ago? The Mitt from this week? or last week? which Mitt duped you? hahahahahahahaha!

exactly David...Reagan RAISED taxes. They want someone in office to be like the good ol' Reagan. Well if anybody did their research they would see he raised taxes and said things like "...hey sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that's crazy..." i mean it is what it is. Obama ran as being somewhat liberal...and he is governing exactly like Reagan. The GOP can't stand that obama passed THEIR healthcare plan. Romney is pissed that Obama passed what he passed and wanted to pass if he became president. (these of course all are facts, dont believe me www.whichmitt.com/videos) And now Romney is out there calling it a tax after he said it was not a tax and its something else blah blah blah. The fact is that the republican voters followed as the sheep they are and voted in Romney. Now they got a big time liberal candidate that has passed and said more liberal things than any candidate before him. hahahahahahaha. i love it.

@The Pres...it's scary that you are allowed to vote. screw IDs, they should test your IQ before voting

Sugaree,
Let me give you a little hint into what this is really about. This is not Democrat or Republican and unfortunately I never see it being repealed. This is about more government power, intrusion, control!!! It doesn't matter what you call yourself politically, all of America has lost in this battle. Have you ever heard the phrase united we stand, divided we fall?
Well the politicians have us divided, more than ever before. Its all smoke and mirrors my dear. We are divided, so the scum in DC will push through whatever they want, while we the people get the shaft. This is no longer right or left ok. Once you realize that, you may understand what is really going on around you.

I fear Harry has it right.

People that find themselves in awful situations such as that are why I involve myself in these discussions. I don't know why some people don't see this in human terms; and are so blinded by idealogy and/or are only concerned about their own perceived inconvenience. Shameful isn't it?

You are so right Jo M! Unfortunately, I fell for his/her/its trap earlier. He/she/it has many racist posts earlier, which were removed. Says he,et al. is 86 yrs old. Funny, for some reason I'm visualizing a mullet and tattoos, or maybe 40-50ish living in Mom's basment. He adds nothing of value to this discussion; just taking up time and space.

Yeah Jo - Right wing has their idiots and you guys have yours and MSNBC! Funny thing is, FOX does not even come close to the blather seen on MSNBC. I will give you a comparison of MSNBC to Right wing talk radio, but every liberal I have ever convinced to actually watch both FOX and MSNBC from 5pm till 11pm ends up saying the exact same thing - FOX has a lot of stories that have no political tone whatsoever during that time span. MSNBC is a straight commercial for Democrats. No comparison! Fox leans right and has a couple of Right Wingers on it. MSNBC is pure liberalism - even their commercial s for their shows just bash conservatism.

Dont forget Bush Snr with his New World Order

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K37x7oWfm_U&feature=fvwrel

lol. while searching the videos, I came across this real comedy act. never gets old.

top 10 bushisms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGRYPYuFZLk

@The Pres...once again you are 100% INCORRECT. Watch the video of Bush here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNqQx7sjoS8&feature=related
That is fact!. Bush pushed owning a home to people who can not afford it and making it easier to get loans. that is fact

@Locally Involved....excellent facts. I just want to add to your #2 ---- National Healthcare was heavily promoted by good old Mitt Romney up to a few months ago when he decided to run for president. That is a fact as well. Good facts overall though.

@ The Pres... I knew the facts presented by Locally Involved would make you dumbfounded

Absolutely.

FYI...All deleted posts can be seen on posters profile page. Just click on "Comments" on the left side of the page. Shocking! This guy clearly suffers from some form of dementia. At 85, I would like to believe he is a dying breed.