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Willow Grove United Methodist Church pastor Rev. Cynthia Skripak discusses her sermon on why the United Methodist Church should allow openly gay clergy and members.
On May 6, during the church service of Willow Grove United Methodist Church, Rev. Cynthia Skripak stood behind the pulpit and talked about heartbreak.
“If it were possible to hear the sounds of hearts breaking, you would have heard a thunderous crack late this past week coming from Tampa, Florida,” Skripak said. “That’s where our global United Methodist Church was meeting for the every-four-year General Conference.”
In a sermon she titled, “Nobody’s Perfect,” the pastor of Upper Moreland’s longest-running church preached on why her church’s General Conference got it wrong with its stance on homosexuality.
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The 2012 United Methodist Church General Conference
Every four years, the United Methodist Church (UMC) holds a global General Conference in order to review and vote on policies in the church’s governing work, called “The Book of Discipline.”
The 2012 General Conference took place from April 24 – May 4. This event hosted 998 delegates and approximately 4,000 visitors, all of whom represented United Methodist churches from five continents, according to the conference’s website.
Among the policies reviewed was the church’s position on homosexuality, which was referred to on the conference’s agenda as “Human Sexuality.”
Within this agenda item, a resolution was introduced that would state the church was not of one mind on the subject of homosexuality.
“And, that was voted down,” Skripak told Patch in a recent interview. “Even this middle ground was not approved by the majority of the body.”
She said what was left was the church’s longstanding position that while all individuals are considered to be of sacred worth, “being a homosexual is incompatible with Christian teachings.”
Skripak said that the vote was close, passing with a majority of 60-percent.
With the global UMC functioning as a representative democracy, Skripak suggested that the reason behind the vote may be due to United Methodist recent major growth in Asia and Africa, where churches there are traditionally more conservative.
“Nobody’s Perfect”
Just two days after the final day of the General Conference, Skripak said she was inspired to write a sermon based on the ill-fated resolution.
“Our church has set up an institutionalized system that does not welcome or affirm or include anybody and everybody who loves the Lord,” Skripak said in her sermon. “It is hurtful language and exclusionary language, although it is not intended to be.”
In her sermon, Skripak said that the Book of Discipline’s language presumes that the determining factor of whether someone should consider themselves a member of the church is based on who that person loves.
“We can talk about the individual lives of people I know who have been traumatized by the church’s position,” Skripak said in her sermon. “And, how we are losing gifted members, pastors, preachers, because of our church’s stance.”
A 2005 New York Times article reported the defrocking of Beth Stroud, who was then the associate pastor at First United Methodist Church in Germantown, for being openly lesbian. According to the report, the United Methodist Church’s highest court found her to be in conflict with the church’s stance against ordaining “self-avowed, practicing homosexuals.”
In the same article, the pastor of South Hill United Methodist Church in South Hill, Va., was reinstated as the church’s pastor, after the court upheld his decision to prohibit an openly gay congregant from joining his church.
The Rev. Cynthia Skripak
In the interview, Skripak shared that she grew up in the United Methodist tradition, attending services in a rural up-state New York community. She couldn’t recall an instance in which the subject of homosexuality was discussed. In fact, she said the subject wouldn’t be talked about until she attended seminary, where the traditions and policies of the United Methodist Church were taught.
Ever since then, Skipak said, she became a proponent for the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) community. However, approaching her 21st year this month as an ordained United Methodist minister, she has no plans on being subversive against the traditions and policies of the church.
“For me, working within the system is where I can have influence,” Skripak said. “I’m not going to be doing same-sex marriages anytime soon.”
She added that there are other United Methodist ministers who share her perspective, and also try to work within the system to reform church policies.
“There are gay clergy, but they don’t tell anyone,” Skripak said, explaining they would also run the risk of becoming defrocked.
In light of the close 60-40 resolution vote, the General Conference website also reported a large, but peaceful protest of clergy and UMC members gathered after the vote's announcement. The protest group's singing was reportedly enough to end the rest of the business proceedings early.
According to Skripak, she along with other clergy demonstrated a similar protest during last week’s Eastern Pennsylvania Annual (regional) Conference, which took place in Oaks.
“I didn't want to be vague"
During the interview, Skripak emphasized that her stance on church acceptance of homosexuality is her own opinion, and does not represent the opinion of Willow Grove United Methodist Church.
And, while she participated with group protests before, her sermon on homosexuality was a first in her 21-year ministerial career.
Skripak said that she’s heard other pastors preach on acceptance and diversity, essentially dancing around the subject.
“I didn’t want to be vague,” she said.
Skripak did acknowledge traditional conservative perspectives taken by a majority of Christian ministers and preachers, who often refer to specific biblical text opposing a homosexual lifestyle.
“But, Jesus never said anything about homosexuality,” Skripak said. “There are other things he didn’t talk about, he didn’t talk about iPhones, he didn’t talk about TV, but he didn’t talk about homosexuality.”
Skripak explained that she takes her cues on the way Jesus lived and interacted with people, based off of her understanding of scriptural text.
“He did talk a lot about love. And, even more importantly than what he talked about is how he lived,” Skripak said. “And, the way he lived was by loving the unlovable, the outcast and the marginalized people.”
Mid-way through her sermon, Skripak paused.
“Now, everybody take a deep breath,” she said. “Remember, this is a sermon, not a diatribe or a political statement.”
In the interview, she said it’s likely her sermon was the first time Willow Grove United Methodist Church congregants have heard such a direct message on the subject.
After the service, while Patch covererd an art show at the church, it was not apparent the immediate reactions of congregants.
However, according to Skripak, she’s received numerous positive comments about it - the most she’s received about any sermon in her two-decades long career.
And, while she said she wasn't trying to make a political statement, Skripak seemed pleased to "beat Obama" in his endorsement of gay marriage, made a few days after her sermon.
Skripak said that the announcement is evidence of a momentum building around the acceptance of homosexuality in both the larger and faith-based communities.
“It will be in my life time,” Skripak said. “I hope it comes soon enough to bring young people into the church.”
henry eroh
7:55 am on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
come on this so called preacher is out of line- it seems these preacher's are wanting to allow same sex marriages to increase their church congreagations- I know it is a changing world but there are still alot of people not happy about this situation- I grew up in a church when I went- to understand that homosexualality was wrong and so now these preacher's are wanting to change all that- if people are gay that is their problem but don't force the issue on me- this double standard sucks- I don't think gay is right but that is their decision so why all the push to get married- marriage is for procreation and 2 males cannot get prego- 2 fem can but it still takes a man's spunk- so preacher's knock it off
Cathleen Bach
11:08 am on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
Henry-
I have to say I disagree with you on so many levels. It's not about increasing church congregations at all. It's about accepting ALL people for who they are, whether you agree with it or not, just like God has always done. What people do in their bedrooms is not your, my, or the church's business. You are certainly entitled to believe that homosexuality is wrong, but that is simply your opinion. One of the main reasons that gay people want the right to get married is so that they have the same rights as heterosexual couples. I'm not gay, but I do have friends who are, and they have no rights regarding the care of their partner, or even any rights to the custody of their children if they have any, and one of the partners dies. They certainly deserve those rights just like you and I do. I'm not trying to change your opinion at all, because it's just that, an opinion. :)
Stephen Eickhoff
12:09 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
1 Cor 5 explains that unrepentant sinners should not be allowed to remain within the fellowship, much less be leaders. Please note the last verse, which reiterates that judgement is reserved to those within the Church, and especially the Church. I tire of ignorant misquoting of the Bible that implies we're never supposed to "judge" anyone. Those who claim to be believers are exactly the ones we are supposed to judge! The passage escapes me, but I believe that in another of Paul's letters he recommends a specific procedure for persuading a sinner within the congregation to repent.
If a congregation believes that homosexuality is not prohibited by God, then what Paul relayed is not relevant. But if a congregation has any qualms about it, they cannot make CLEARLY unbiblical claims that it's not any of the church's business.
Diane Moore
9:56 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
I was taught that God loves everyone. The choice to exclude anyone from that love and fellowship is not mine, nor do I desire to make it mine.
John 10:27 to 29 (KJV) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.
Matthew 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
I want my friends, family, and even my enemies to have a welcome place in God's house, to be able to worship him in safety. It is time for the Church to welcome all to the table, not limit the welcome to those who look or act a certain way.
Stephen Eickhoff
11:26 pm on Tuesday, May 29, 2012
I didn't say anything about loving people, Diane. Please read 1 Cor 5, 2 Thess 3:6-15, and especially Matt 18:15-17. Do you know better than Jesus himself?
Christian Friend
2:31 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
You can try to justify that homosexuality is ok for what ever reason, but the fact is that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one. Jesus said that if you have seen me, you have seen the Father and God never changes. God's word cannot change, it never will, hates the sin of un-natural relationships,a man w/ man; woman w/woman. What part of scripture referring to this sin don't you understand? Why did God destroy the cities of Sodom and Gommorah? It was because of the sin of homosexuality!!! You can NOT use God's grace through His Son Jesus' death on the cross as a license to live this lifestyle!! Especially you who stand behind the pulpit! How can you preach the truth of the scriptures to allow the Holy Spirit to convict someone of their sin to repent and be saved if you're telling them that their SIN is OK? Infant baptism robs a person of their pleasure and duty to obey scripture to repent & be baptized. Maybe this is the key to why so many United Methodist pastors think that homosexuality is ok. Maybe they haven't been properly baptized and have not been baptized with the Holy Spirit to know right from wrong. Repentance is a concious decision to turn away from sin, to ask God to forgive sin, and then obey the word of God. Then that person should be baptized into the body of Christ also as an act of obedience with a right concious toward God and His word. I love you all and God loves you all and wants none of us to perish, but judgment day is coming.
Joey Mulligan
8:17 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
Irrational gay bashing through the use of the Bible is insecurity and fear at it's deepest and darkest levels. if you truly believe being gay is a sin, then let God be the judge of that. why do you make it your problem? let them pay for it in the end. you're not changing anyone's mind
Christian Friend
12:00 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Perfect love casts out all fear and God that perfect love that we all need. God is love! So using Scripture is the best weapon against the forces of darkness and evil in this world. Jesus always quoted scripture when He was tempted by Satan and Satan WAS defeated! We can defeat Satan and his tempting us when we use the word of God and speak it aloud! There is POWER the Word of God!! If there is no hope in changing someones mind about sin, then why should there be any preachers and why should any sermons ever be preached?